Author: Bret Gordon
In Part 1 (click here to read), I detailed and disproved more of the lies spread by BSMA about my background. I also publicly confirmed that I invited Dale Dugas to my school on Thursday, November 12th, at 7:30pm to settle our differences. It's this event I'll be focusing on for this article. The original invitation can be seen below:
For those unfamiliar with the original dispute between us, it is all documented here. This invitation is my last attempt to clear the air, and should he wish to engage in a friendly match, my mat is open to him. We are all martial artists and the only thing that truly matters is your ability to be martial, so if this is his intention I don't think anyone would refuse to get some rounds in. However, given BSMA's track record of manipulating facts and spinning situations to cast themselves in a positive light despite the truth, there are certain parameters I set in place. It is, after all, my school we are meeting at.
First and foremost, I stated that this is not open to the public. This isn't professional wrestling, and I am not out to sell tickets. My intention is to settle our differences like men, shake hands when it's over and part ways.
Of course, I understand any reasonable person's hesitation to walk into a tense situation alone so I stated publicly Dale may bring one or two buddies along to watch his back or film the interaction if they so chose. His response naming two people (one of which is just another faceless troll) should be taken as acceptance of this condition, although this will become relevant in just a moment.
Of course, I understand any reasonable person's hesitation to walk into a tense situation alone so I stated publicly Dale may bring one or two buddies along to watch his back or film the interaction if they so chose. His response naming two people (one of which is just another faceless troll) should be taken as acceptance of this condition, although this will become relevant in just a moment.
It took literally twenty minutes from the time I made my original post for Dale to share the invitation to BSMA practically begging for people to come watch his back. Cult leader Don Roley even made a comment that he has never heard of such a rule limiting the amount of spectators for a "challenge match" and that Dale should bring as many people as possible to witness the event.
Considering it's going to be filmed, the excuse that there needs to be numerous witnesses goes out the window. The only logical conclusion is that Dale has no intention of stepping into a ring with me, but instead needs a posse to bolster his confidence to even be in the same room. According to his video posted November 2nd in BSMA, he plans to bring "a few people" and made it a point that he is comfortable "fighting multiples" due to his "extensive" career as a bouncer, the implication being I should be as well. It's not that I haven't had my share of bar room brawls, but I will say that the tactics of dealing with such are slightly different...
This morning, Dale graced us with another video detailing how he's going to "pin me down and make me squeal" on the 12th. Sounds kinky. That makes 33 videos to date that he has put up on BSMA running his mouth about me and my teacher, Steven Hatfield. Can you imagine the amount of free rent space I occupy in this guy's head that he actually filmed so many videos?
Considering it's going to be filmed, the excuse that there needs to be numerous witnesses goes out the window. The only logical conclusion is that Dale has no intention of stepping into a ring with me, but instead needs a posse to bolster his confidence to even be in the same room. According to his video posted November 2nd in BSMA, he plans to bring "a few people" and made it a point that he is comfortable "fighting multiples" due to his "extensive" career as a bouncer, the implication being I should be as well. It's not that I haven't had my share of bar room brawls, but I will say that the tactics of dealing with such are slightly different...
This morning, Dale graced us with another video detailing how he's going to "pin me down and make me squeal" on the 12th. Sounds kinky. That makes 33 videos to date that he has put up on BSMA running his mouth about me and my teacher, Steven Hatfield. Can you imagine the amount of free rent space I occupy in this guy's head that he actually filmed so many videos?
Yes, these are all videos of Dale talking about me
At what point can we say he is obsessed with me? I'm guessing right about when he demanded I make a video response wearing nothing but a tank top (yes, that really happened). The cool thing about his videos is that some of them he is clearly at work, wearing scrubs and about to treat patients. Why is this cool? Because in his twisted way of sticking his middle finger at me, he makes it a point to suck on his medical marijuana in every single video. In one clip, he even states that he does so to keep his hand steady when treating patients (he is an acupuncturist). It would sure be a shame if he was reported to the Department of Health. You see, even with a prescription, Florida law prohibits the use of medical marijuana by healthcare professionals at work (view source). He could even be running the risk of termination, discipline of his medical license by the DOH or both (as could his employer for knowingly condoning such). Can you imagine the impending lawsuits from people finding out their doctor was impaired while sticking them with needles?
Getting back to his video from this morning, Dale continues the façade of being willing to show up at my school by stating I have yet to name my terms for a physical match (if it comes to that) or send him a waiver to sign. He did post his own waiver, which I have no intention on signing, that has such ridiculous terms in it as "I FURTHER AGREE that all recordings Audio, Video and Otherwise are Sole Property and Copyright 2020 Dale Dugas DBS Chinese Medicine and Martial Arts." Admittedly in his videos, he clarifies this by saying that whatever he shoots he owns, and whatever I film I own... But in court, they go by the signed document. Regardless, he must have me blocked because I have sent both as you can see from the screenshot at right. Another lie...
Now here comes the best part. BSMA is already setting themselves up for a loss and trying to explain it away. I've counted no less than 4 posts in the last 48 hours (and numerous subsequent comments) stating that the outcome of any fight does not prove one's legitimacy as a martial artist. While I agree in principle, it's just interesting that they have pushed for so long for me and Dale to meet and now that I've set a date they are back-peddling to say no matter what happens, I'm still a "fraud" and "liar." I've even read one comment that said martial arts has nothing to do with fighting and really "over 90% of martial arts is about developing self-esteem and life skills in children..."
It's not my job to make up for someone else's failed parenting. It is my job to teach people viable skills to protect themselves and their families from personal experience and intensive training. Ultimately when you call me a fraud, you are telling me I am not qualified to impart these viable skills, and that my experience and training doesn't exist. So yes, the logical response is to put that accusation to the test through physical contests. Rank, titles and licenses are absolutely meaningless without the corresponding skill level and knowledge to back them up. The only thing that truly matters is what you can do on the mat and in real life.
Now here comes the best part. BSMA is already setting themselves up for a loss and trying to explain it away. I've counted no less than 4 posts in the last 48 hours (and numerous subsequent comments) stating that the outcome of any fight does not prove one's legitimacy as a martial artist. While I agree in principle, it's just interesting that they have pushed for so long for me and Dale to meet and now that I've set a date they are back-peddling to say no matter what happens, I'm still a "fraud" and "liar." I've even read one comment that said martial arts has nothing to do with fighting and really "over 90% of martial arts is about developing self-esteem and life skills in children..."
It's not my job to make up for someone else's failed parenting. It is my job to teach people viable skills to protect themselves and their families from personal experience and intensive training. Ultimately when you call me a fraud, you are telling me I am not qualified to impart these viable skills, and that my experience and training doesn't exist. So yes, the logical response is to put that accusation to the test through physical contests. Rank, titles and licenses are absolutely meaningless without the corresponding skill level and knowledge to back them up. The only thing that truly matters is what you can do on the mat and in real life.
Dale's Original Challenge 8/6/2020
One poster even stated that "Issuing a "challenge" is simply the last refuge for people who've been caught in their own lies. "Let's settle this on the mat!" is proclaimed by the fraud upon being thrust into the light because they know they can't defend their lies or behavior. They are deflecting, and gambling on the idea that no one will take their challenge seriously...until someone does."
Does that mean that by challenging me out of nowhere, Dale is admitting he is a fraud and knows he can't defend his behavior, gambling on the idea that I won't take his challenge seriously? Coupled with the fact that the amount of posts about our upcoming meeting on the 12th has sky-rocketed with numerous people egging it on, BSMA continues to show they are nothing more than a group of cyber-bullies and trolls looking to start trouble. The only tactics they are capable of are intimidation and harassment, of which I only scratch the surface in the following articles:
"Obsession Isn't Healthy, Boys"
"The Hypocrisy Of The Internet"
"A Warrior's Duty Is To Protect"
"Blowing Smoke... Medically"
"Unmasking The Trolls"
"Manipulating The Truth"
"Beware The Martial Arts Police"
"There's Always Something (Part 1)"
Does that mean that by challenging me out of nowhere, Dale is admitting he is a fraud and knows he can't defend his behavior, gambling on the idea that I won't take his challenge seriously? Coupled with the fact that the amount of posts about our upcoming meeting on the 12th has sky-rocketed with numerous people egging it on, BSMA continues to show they are nothing more than a group of cyber-bullies and trolls looking to start trouble. The only tactics they are capable of are intimidation and harassment, of which I only scratch the surface in the following articles:
"Obsession Isn't Healthy, Boys"
"The Hypocrisy Of The Internet"
"A Warrior's Duty Is To Protect"
"Blowing Smoke... Medically"
"Unmasking The Trolls"
"Manipulating The Truth"
"Beware The Martial Arts Police"
"There's Always Something (Part 1)"
The truth is that November 12th will be very telling. Does Dale actually man up and show at my school as he said? Does he have the confidence to come as he agreed with just one or two friends, or does he need an entire army to give him the boost he needs just to walk in the door? Only time will tell... But if it doesn't matter how this goes and nothing is going to change afterwards, why are we doing this again?
EDIT (November 3, 2020) - I probably should mention that Dale's affiliation to BSMA is rather mind boggling to begin with. If I recall, he was actually kicked out at one point for being a fraud himself and took to blasting the group on Bullshido (click here). I guess now that they've let him back in to play with the cool kids, he feels the need to prove himself with these childish antics and false-bravado. I wonder if Dana knows how her little brother acts online?
There are some more things I forgot to mention in the main article above, not the least of which after talking tough for so long and volunteering to travel to Ohio to show my teacher the same lesson he plans to show me, Hatfield sensei actually accepted his offer as well. However, Dale ducked out of that one in record time...
There are some more things I forgot to mention in the main article above, not the least of which after talking tough for so long and volunteering to travel to Ohio to show my teacher the same lesson he plans to show me, Hatfield sensei actually accepted his offer as well. However, Dale ducked out of that one in record time...
But in fairness, taking a trip halfway across the country is rather unreasonable (even if it was Dale who suggested it to begin with). So then Hatfield sensei volunteered to come down here to Florida and meet with him, to which Dale declined again...
Such a foul mouth on that boy! Clearly for whatever reason, Dale is absolutely terrified of Hatfield sensei and would prefer to meet with me instead. It's ok, it's the only sane choice Dale has made in all of this. And yet somehow, BSMA will still call us cowards? That's what happens when you live in an echo chamber and make your own reality, banning anyone who refuses to follow the narrative.
As for the accusation about supporting child rape, we have already made it abundantly clear that we denounce all forms of violence against children in numerous articles. Why Dale keeps fixating on this is beyond me? Perhaps he's trying to deflect from his own inclinations, or maybe something happened to him as a child? Either way, it has nothing to do with us.
As for the accusation about supporting child rape, we have already made it abundantly clear that we denounce all forms of violence against children in numerous articles. Why Dale keeps fixating on this is beyond me? Perhaps he's trying to deflect from his own inclinations, or maybe something happened to him as a child? Either way, it has nothing to do with us.
EDIT (November 3, 2020) - Keeping everyone updated. I've posted the following on my Facebook timeline. Even if BSMA believes that a fight doesn't prove anything, this is about principle. Let's see how he responds...
Well, that was quick. Glad to hear there is some honor involved here... Although not everyone thought this was a reasonable request. Oh well! The full post can be followed here.
EDIT (November 5, 2020) - So a rather interesting development in all of this. I ended up cancelling my regular Thursday night class to deal with some personal business, though I was still at the school, and Dale walked in with two bodyguards although our scheduled meeting isn't until next week. All three of them were filming, and only one actually shook my hand. I'll embed the video below, because I don't want to be accused of hiding anything, but there are a couple of things that should be clear. First, this was nothing more than an attempt at intimidation to get me to cancel the scheduled meeting next week. It should also be clear how little I am bothered by standing there alone in front of Dale and two of his friends (even with how hostile he has been online). I'm a little disappointed though. He told me he'd bring donuts when he showed up...
Now of course, it didn't take long for this to be shared to BSMA. The funniest comment was someone saying "That was such a weird/strange interaction from Brett???!!!" probably because I didn't run for cover, throw them out or call the police as I am sure they expected me to. But I do want to address this comment from Don Roley:
I didn't "show up without my uniform." I keep my uniforms at the school, but obviously there's no reason to change out if I'm not teaching. As I said, I ended up cancelling my regularly scheduled class tonight. It happens.
EDIT (November 8, 2020) - I am both impressed and appalled at the abilities of those over at BSMA to twist the details of virtually anything to suit their agenda, and have no doubt they could pervert even the Immaculate Conception as just an elaborate lie to cover up the fact that Mary was really a slut. The way they view the world through their sick, twisted minds should be more telling than anything else.
My school, Trio Martial Arts Academy, is a semi-private institution that limits instruction to teens and adults (currently, there is not a single active student under the age of 21). I have worked hard to develop a culture among my students that allows us to function as family. In fact, I'm probably closer to every single one of my students than I am to many of my blood relatives. Because I cater to adults, when not in training the walls come down. It is not uncommon for us to sit around after the last class with a bottle of sake, decompressing from the stresses of the week. I confide in them just as much as they confide in me. You may call us a social club, and I fail to see how that's a negative. I have a full-time job already, and my dojo is not a business nor do I have any intention of running it like one.
By now, I'm sure everyone has seen the video of Dale and his bodyguards showing up unannounced on a night when I cancelled class last minute and was instead sitting at the dojo with two students (there is only one that can be seen in frame, but my sister is just around the corner. Dale even waved to her, so he can't say she wasn't there). One other student was on his way as well, and showed up roughly 5 minutes after Dale left. Why Dale needed two bodyguards to just "drop off a waiver" is beyond me, and the truth is that if he had any intention of stepping on the mat with me, he would've asked to do so when he had me outnumbered instead of saying "I'll be back." No one drives an hour and a half just to hand someone a piece of paper that they already emailed over.
Now, a couple of things about that night have become part of BSMA's sick and twisted fantasy about who they think I am, so let me state this unequivocally. I was not "drinking alone with a married female student." As stated, we weren't alone, and in the video you can clearly see my student is holding a soda from McDonald's. WE were not drinking. I had a drink, which as a grown man in the company of other adults, I don't need to explain myself for doing. To then try and equate that with a healthcare professional who smokes pot before seeing patients is just mind-blowing.
The next thing they brought up was the fact that I rushed her out of the room, implying it shows we were "caught and guilty." Just, no. When three hostile individuals (who spent months making threats against me) walked into my school, I sent my student into the other room and placed myself in between the door and the visitors just in case something popped off. Period!
There is absolutely no excuse for putting my student on blast, including posting contact info for her family, and potentially putting her entire life, marriage and career in jeopardy! Doing so just shows the lack of humanity and decency any of them have, and let's the world know what true pieces of shit they are.
Now with regards to this coming Thursday when Dale is supposed to return, with two more bodyguards, for us to settle our differences. BSMA has already stated that the outcome of any match we have will not prove anything. Furthermore, I know that the outcome will be twisted. If I win, they'll say it was due to his age and his stamina. If he gets injured, they'll say "See! Bret is dangerous and violent like we said and shouldn't be teaching." Even with a signed waiver, I have no doubt they will try to sue my partner for damages since technically it's not even my unit that we teach in nor is my name on the lease. After all, he only agreed not to sue ME.
Taking all of this into consideration, I am officially calling off the 12th. It is absolutely pointless if BSMA won't concede that it proves my legitimacy. There is no doubt in my mind they will only come at me harder in retaliation after I win, and I don't need the street cred of otherwise faceless trolls on the internet to be able to sleep at night.
Dale Dugas - you and your friends are no longer welcome in my school. I am done entertaining your charade, and the fact that you had every opportunity to ask me to step on the floor this past week and chose not to just proves how unwilling you really are while trying to save face. If you and your echo chamber want to throw the "bitch card" at me for this, go for it. It's certainly in character for you. But frankly, you and everyone else at BSMA can just fuck off.
My school, Trio Martial Arts Academy, is a semi-private institution that limits instruction to teens and adults (currently, there is not a single active student under the age of 21). I have worked hard to develop a culture among my students that allows us to function as family. In fact, I'm probably closer to every single one of my students than I am to many of my blood relatives. Because I cater to adults, when not in training the walls come down. It is not uncommon for us to sit around after the last class with a bottle of sake, decompressing from the stresses of the week. I confide in them just as much as they confide in me. You may call us a social club, and I fail to see how that's a negative. I have a full-time job already, and my dojo is not a business nor do I have any intention of running it like one.
By now, I'm sure everyone has seen the video of Dale and his bodyguards showing up unannounced on a night when I cancelled class last minute and was instead sitting at the dojo with two students (there is only one that can be seen in frame, but my sister is just around the corner. Dale even waved to her, so he can't say she wasn't there). One other student was on his way as well, and showed up roughly 5 minutes after Dale left. Why Dale needed two bodyguards to just "drop off a waiver" is beyond me, and the truth is that if he had any intention of stepping on the mat with me, he would've asked to do so when he had me outnumbered instead of saying "I'll be back." No one drives an hour and a half just to hand someone a piece of paper that they already emailed over.
Now, a couple of things about that night have become part of BSMA's sick and twisted fantasy about who they think I am, so let me state this unequivocally. I was not "drinking alone with a married female student." As stated, we weren't alone, and in the video you can clearly see my student is holding a soda from McDonald's. WE were not drinking. I had a drink, which as a grown man in the company of other adults, I don't need to explain myself for doing. To then try and equate that with a healthcare professional who smokes pot before seeing patients is just mind-blowing.
The next thing they brought up was the fact that I rushed her out of the room, implying it shows we were "caught and guilty." Just, no. When three hostile individuals (who spent months making threats against me) walked into my school, I sent my student into the other room and placed myself in between the door and the visitors just in case something popped off. Period!
There is absolutely no excuse for putting my student on blast, including posting contact info for her family, and potentially putting her entire life, marriage and career in jeopardy! Doing so just shows the lack of humanity and decency any of them have, and let's the world know what true pieces of shit they are.
Now with regards to this coming Thursday when Dale is supposed to return, with two more bodyguards, for us to settle our differences. BSMA has already stated that the outcome of any match we have will not prove anything. Furthermore, I know that the outcome will be twisted. If I win, they'll say it was due to his age and his stamina. If he gets injured, they'll say "See! Bret is dangerous and violent like we said and shouldn't be teaching." Even with a signed waiver, I have no doubt they will try to sue my partner for damages since technically it's not even my unit that we teach in nor is my name on the lease. After all, he only agreed not to sue ME.
Taking all of this into consideration, I am officially calling off the 12th. It is absolutely pointless if BSMA won't concede that it proves my legitimacy. There is no doubt in my mind they will only come at me harder in retaliation after I win, and I don't need the street cred of otherwise faceless trolls on the internet to be able to sleep at night.
Dale Dugas - you and your friends are no longer welcome in my school. I am done entertaining your charade, and the fact that you had every opportunity to ask me to step on the floor this past week and chose not to just proves how unwilling you really are while trying to save face. If you and your echo chamber want to throw the "bitch card" at me for this, go for it. It's certainly in character for you. But frankly, you and everyone else at BSMA can just fuck off.
